Showing posts with label psychology of selling. Show all posts
Showing posts with label psychology of selling. Show all posts

Saturday 2 March 2024

Selling is often a harder decision than buying

 

Selling is often a harder decision than buying

"If you have bought a good quality stock at bargain or reasonable price, you can often hold forever." 

Investing is fun.  For every rule, there is always an exception. 

The main reasons for selling a stock are:

1.  When the fundamental has deteriorated permanently,  (Sell urgently)
2.  When it is overpriced, whereby the upside gain will be unlikely or very small and the downside loss will be big or certain.

We shall examine reason No. 2 through the property market.  The property market is also cyclical.  There were periods of booms and dooms. 


If you have a good piece of property that is always 100% tenanted and which gives you good consistent return (let's say 2x or 3x risk free FD rates), would you not hold this property forever?  The answer is probably yes.

Then, when would you sell this property?

Note that the valuation of property, as with stocks, is both objective and subjective.

Would you sell when someone offered to buy at 500% above your perceived market price?  

Probably yes, as this is obviously overpriced.  You could cash out and probably easily re-employ the money to earn better returns in another property (or properties) or other assets. 

Would you sell when someone offered to buy at 50% above your perceived market price? 

Maybe yes or maybe no.  You can offer your many reasons.  

However, all these will be based on the perceived future returns you can hope to get from this property in the future.  This is both objective based on past returns obtained and subjective and speculative on future returns.

However, unlike reason No.1 when you would need to sell urgently to another buyer to prevent sustaining a permanent loss, you need not sell just because someone offered to buy the property at high price. (However, there are also those who "flip properties" for their earnings; they will sell quickly for a quick profit.)  You will not suffer a loss but only a diminished return at worse.  You can take your time to work out the mathematics.  

You maybe surprised that you may still achieve a return higher at a time in the near future by rejecting the present immediate gain based on the present high price offered.  

Also, you would need to price in the lost opportunity cost when the property is sold at this price, even though it is 50% above the perceived normal market price.  Could you buy a similar quality property with the same sustainable increasing income or return by offering the same price?



Similarly, the same line of thinking can be applied to your selling of shares.  

When should you sell your shares?  

Yes, definitely when the fundamentals have deteriorated permanently.  The business has suffered for various reasons and going forward, the earnings will be permanently impaired and deteriorating.  

Yes, when the price is very very overpriced.  However, you need not sell your shares in good quality companies that you bought at fair or bargain price.  As long as the fundamentals are strong and the business is adding value, selling now at a higher price may mean losing the return that you could have obtained in the future years from owning this stock and the opportunity cost of reinvesting the cash into another stock of similar quality and returns.  

Once again, the importance of sound reasoning and doing the mathematics in making a decision whether to sell or not.

Is it not true, that the really big fortunes from common stocks have been garnered by those
  • who made a substantial commitment in theearly years of a company in whose future they had great confidence and
  • who held their original shares unwaveringly while they increased 10-fold or 100-fold or more in value?

The answer is "Yes."




Additional notes: 

Other reasons for selling a stock (or property) are:
  • To raise cash to reinvest into another asset with better return.
  • A certain stock (or property sector) may be over-represented in your portfolio due to recent rapid price rises and you need to reduce its weightage to reduce your risk of over-exposure in this single stock (or property sector).


Footnote:
 

This is a true story. A rich man was approached by a buyer to sell his property. A few neighbouring lots were sold for $1.6 m the last 2 years. What offer will ensure that you sell your property to me?  Please let me know. The unwilling owner replied, "$5 million". There is a lesson here too. :-)




Tuesday 1 June 2010

Weathering a Panic

The central concept applicable to the 'buy and hold until fundamental changes' investor is the occasional need to play when it is painful.  But this concept specifically and only means to hold stocks that are being affected just by the overwhelming negative psychological forces that occasionally cause selling routs or panics in the whole market.

To put this very important limiting caveat another way:  when a crash or panic occurs, stocks should be 

  • held only if they are going down because of market factors and 
  • not if they are being affected by company factors.  
This should relate to only a few issues, however, because investors following a disciplined selling methodology (see related article below) already should have weeded out the bad performers and taken profits on the stellar performers well before a bear market reaches climax proportions.

So when appropriate selling has left an investor with only a few, high quality stocks, he can and should hold onto the gems and play through the difficult experience of a panic or crash.  He will be holding only a relatively small portfolio (having followed the other cashing-in suggestions well before the bottom nears), so his level of pain will be no worse than moderate.  And his cash holdings will give emotional comfort and provide the resources for acquiring stocks advantageously when prices get really low.

Some investors may see a contradiction in this advice because they were usually counseled that avoiding losses is the first priority and the best reason for selling.  But taking a short-term dose of paper losses in a crash - by holding quality issues - is a lesser risk than selling out during the fury, and hoping to have the courage and good executions to get back in at lower prices shortly afterward.

If an investor is down to just a few core holdings anyway, he is better advised to tough it out.   The very experience of playing in pain through a temporary crash (think of the October 1987 and October 1989 bashings) is of enormous instructional value despite the modest monetary cost involved.  The process of crisis-thinking and the need to make wrenching decisions that prove valid in short order will serve him well for the rest of his investment career.

Once he has successfully navigated the worst of the choppy investment seas, he will have learned survival lessons and will have internalized feelings and taken in an experience that will be forever his.  That experience deepens his understanding of the way the market works.  Probably most of all, having won at a different game, he develops the wisdom and courage to succeed in similar circumstances in the future.  And that provides the opportunity to make big profits in the handful of similar opportunities that will occur throughout the rest of his investing career.  He will know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the contrarian philosophy of investing works.

When caught in a panic, the central question is whether capitalism in the United States and major Western democracies will continue to function after the panic ends.  If the answer is yes, then there is no reason to sell at foolish levels.  In fact, the only rational thing to do is take courage and make buys.  Being gutsy enough to act on the contrarian test - refusing to sell good stocks cheap because Wall Street and Main Street have lost faith for a few days - insures appropriate selling.  It is difficult to buy in a panic.  Those who can do so are rational enough to sell with discipline as highs approach.

There is one more qualifier on whether to hold or sell after a panic has passed.  Once the panic subsides, there is a lift in the market.  But the effect is significantly different on various kinds of stocks.

  • For some issues, there is a sharp snap-back rally; 
  • for others, there is very little improvement.  
Just as it is not advisable to sell into the panic, it is prudent to reassess positions after the selling frenzy has subsided and the lift in prices has begun.

The object, as always, is to decide what to sell and what to hold.  Selling should not be urgent because pre-bear-phase tactics will have raised a lot of cash, so there's no need to sell to raise cash for margin calls or buying.  But because the goal is always to maximise return on capital and to take advantage of the time value of money, look closely at what to hold and what to sell after the panic has cleared.


Related:

To hold or to sell? Holding should occur only if no tests for selling are failed.

Monday 31 May 2010

The process of deciding to sell a stock is a difficult one unless an investor has developed a methodology.

The process of deciding to sell a stock is a difficult one at best unless an investor has developed a methodology and adheres to it mechanically in order to avoid inevitable internal mental battles.  

When a loss is involved, the sell decision is even more difficult because the issue of pain-avoidance is now present.

It is human nature to seek self-preservation, and pain is a phenomenon that indicates a danger to well-being.

Some investors are obsessed with safety, but most are reasonably balanced in their tolerance of the risk involved in earning a profit.  But every investor has some threshold at which pain is avoided, sometimes at ridiculous cost.  

Dealing with an investment or trading loss involves not only financial pain, but also ego pain.  A majority of shareholders at some point attempt to avoid both pains by failing to deal with the reality of their losses.  

One of the most convenient ways to avoid the pain of loss - or even of profit squandered - is denial.  They prefer not to think about it, or they minimize it.  

When specific stock positions go bad, the pain-avoider becomes a longer-term holder who is more accurately a collector of stocks.  He has no real investment motive or astuteness of value judgement and is, in fact, simply denying the pain of potential loss.

Monday 12 April 2010

Here is a technique to learn more about your buying and selling decision making.

You may separate all the months the market went up from the months the market went down.  Do this from the year 2005 to now, which includes the 2008 severe bear market.

From your CDS account statements, you can find out whether you were a net buyer or a net seller during these various months.

  • If you were a net buyer during the months the stock market declined, you are more likely to be a contrarian.  
  • But if you were a net buyer when the stock market did well, you may have a herd mentality.

Monday 29 March 2010

Selling Hysteria

For the most part, it is in short-term trades that prices are driven by emotion.  Mid-term and long-term investments are usually influenced more by the fundamentals.

Bubbles burst in the wake of hysteria, while plummeting prices usually end in panic.

You can see panic in falling prices when you see them collapsing straight down day after day for extended periods.  Historically, long periods of selling have ended in "selling climaxes" when everyone finally panics and dumps to get out of the market at any price no matter what the fundamental reality might be.

Large price declines across the board should attract your attention.  A good rule of thumb is to sell during times of market hysteria and buy during times of panic.  

Always remember to buy low and sell high.  It sounds so simple, but it is extremely difficult.  Just keep this dictum in mind always - especially when your emotions are getting the best of you.

Ref:
Jim Rogers
A Gift to My Children

Do not panic; learn the psychology

To be a successful investor, you really need to understand psychology as well as history and philosophy.  Very often emotions drive the market up or down.  Remember that economies and stock markets are two different things.  

As Paul Samuelson,l the Nobel Prize winning economists, once put it, "The stock market has anticipated nine of the last five recessions."

China's economy, for example, has been growing rapidly for years now, yet its stock market declined consistently for four years between 2001 and 2005.  The public overreacting to positive or negative news reports, will buy or sell short at the wrong time.  Investor psychology can accelerate such trends int he market.

Anybody can feel panicky.  Losing your perspective in the midst of market panic is equivalent to losing your money in that market.


Ref:

Jim Rogers
A Gift to My Children

Friday 22 January 2010

Why Selling feels Uncomfortable?

Selling requires of us a significant change in our thinking - indeed a complete reversal! 

When we bought that stock, its prospects were wonderful, and it represented value and opportunity.  Now, whether our investment has since done well or not, to sell requires closing down hope and perhaps admitting defeat.  And it is possible that our defeat may have been created by faulty initial thinking, meaning we can place no blame externally since we were actually wrong all along.  Not a realiszation we savour.

Buying involves the opening o f possibilities of great things.  Buying represents open-endedness; continued holding maintains such hope for gain and pleasure (or, when we have a paper loss, hope for recovery and the righting of a temporary wrong).  Selling carries a finality with it because, by definition, it closes the book or ends the game and establishes a final score.  We prefer to have our options open rather than foreclosed, to retain chances for improvement and betterment rather than to know that the verdict is sealed and no chance for change exists.  We have great difficulty coming to closure since it cuts off further possibiiities; it ends hope for any better outcome.  Closure includes such experiences as
  • cleaning out great grandmother's attic;
  • graduating and leaving school and friends;
  • acknowledging a failed marriage by concluding a divorce;
  • burying a dear friend or loved one;
  • seeing winter come;
  • leaving an employer and valued colleagues;
  • retiring and therefore wrapping up business. 
Those are heavy and sad passages, so we are predisposed to resist voluntarily creating any closure expereinces that we have power to avoid.  Holding does exactly that.

Holding keeps our options open, while selling clearly brings closure and finality.  (With surprising myopia, we ignore the fact that once we sell a stock we can just as easily repurchase it.  Viewing repurchase as a very real antidote to our revulsion against closure, however, raise visions of again going through that agonising process of reversing our opinion by 180 degrees, which is painful for all the reasons noted above.) 
  • So we hold rather than sell because, at the very least, holding postpones coming to closure. 
  • Many a bad stock is held (into an uncertain yet not hopeless future) with palpable likelihood of further financial loss because the (presently avoidable) emotional cost of coming to closure is perceived as so heavy. 
  • Investors pay in dollar losses to avoid emotional pain from a closure process; often, as losses get worse, they will later need to pay a higher price in both lost dollars and eventual pain by imposing self-punishement over major mistakes. 
The closure aspect of selling is a powerful deterrent, one requiring both strong will and courage to overcome.

Why Holding Feels Right - Understanding the Psychology underlying this

Understanding the subtle but strong psychological impediments against selling

At a most obvious level, making profit represents pleasure, while suffering a loss equates to feeling pain.

Let us attempt to understand the deeper layer of forces that dispose us to certain attitudes and behaviours springing from our subconscious pain-avoidance and comfort-seeking tendencies.

When we own a particular stock, inaction (holding) keeps us in or certainly closer to a place of comfort than does taking action to change our circumstances (selling).  Holding onto a friend keeps us close to our past, to memories and feelings we cherish.  Many continue to hold stock in companies whose fortunes peaked years or even decades ago.  Logic alone cannot seem to explain why they resist selling despite obviously dim prospects for recovery or gain. 
  • Maybe grandfather worked for the company, or we reside in a town where it supported many families or sponsored the softball team. 
  • Perhaps ages ago we made a profit, or at least had a good paper profit for a while in this stock. 
  • Or our parents always spoke well of the company or
  • confided they had made a decent sum in its shares at one time. 
Thus, nostalgic positive feelings surround it and we find it very difficult to end our association.

Our positive associations with a particular stock create a bonded feeling. 
  • We have made a good profit on an overall basis and while the annualised return may be unspectacular, a gain is surely better than a loss and the total dollar or point profit feels pleasant.  So this stock is our friend. 
  • Held for a number of years now, it has been virtually adopted as a family member.  Thus, our primary inclination is to not severe such ties by terminating this comfortable relationship. 

Why end this thing, we think at an unconscious and perhaps also at a conscious level.  Living with, rather than without, that stock represents staying in a comfort zone.

Even though the company's fortunes may now have faltered, choosing to sell its stock represents adopting a 180-degree opposite stance.  Issuing that order to liquidate means that we once thought was correct now is no longer so in our minds. 
  • This company is no longer under priced, or its prospects or management quality are not what we earlier imagined or expected. 
  • Or perhaps we have given up on its price/earnings ratio growing as we had earlier envisioned.

To say sell means that either
  • what we once thought was right is no longer so and/or
  • that maybe we have already been on the wrong side of the market for some time and are now admitting a change in opinion is warranted. 
Either way, selling represents admitting we now believe what we earlier thought is no longer true.  Most of us have great difficulty acknowledging that we were wrong. 

If you place a very strong value on reputation or esteem in life, the reversal of position inherent in selling is likely to be an especially difficult battle zone for your ego and your comfort.  This can be a special problem for professionals such as doctors, attorneys, and others looked up to.  Reversing a position is made even more difficult if we have publicly or strongly espoused it.  This is a very important reason for keeping our investment holdings secret:  reversing ourselves and selling then at least involves no loss of face with others who knew our prior opinion.