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Wednesday 27 October 2010

What is Value Investing?

Mark Perkins on Mon, 2007-03-12 00:03
Title: I consider myself an
I consider myself an investor but I dont' necessarily call myself a value investor. I consider my strategies and ideologies to be based upon the great investors who influenced me like Ben Graham,Warren Buffett,Peter lynch, Greenblatt among others. But value investing seems redundant. It seems all true investing is value investing. This dawned on me after I read something another "value" investor wrote about this. true investing is using the idea of finding a real value and not speculating just on price. Price is what you pay value is what you get so Buffett says. So an investor in essence basically is a value investor. What's the need for value tagged before it. It seems all true investing is value investing. value investors are just known for being disciplined investors but are investors not looking for the same things value investors are?

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snash02 on Fri, 2007-04-06 00:31
Title: Value Investing vs. Other Investing
Good question. My thoughts, at the risk of "preaching to the choir":

Buffett and Munger would not easily agree with your premise. If there was no difference between the results of Buffett and the results of Joe the investor, then all the Joe's would be as successful as Buffett. So how is value investing different from other investing?

I think the distinction lies in your objective. Where others might select investments to achieve growth, or income, or political correctness, or stability, balance etc, etc, the "value investor" looks for stocks that have a special feature that translates into "objective" (meaning quantitatively measurable & predictable) financial results in Sales, Expenses, Profits, Cash flow, etc.

The value investor does more research into the target company and understands the target in depth. The value investor is a fundamental analyst. He does not base decisions on trends of the past, ie he is not a technical analyst.

The distinction also lies in how you select your investments. Buffet and Graham define the term "intrinsic value" which is the present value of future cash generated by the business. If the investor does the research and the math needed to calculate intrinsic value, then the investment's value is the difference of intrinsic value per share less market price per share and less a safety margin, or moat which means an allowance for error and lack of perfect knowledge about the company.

And the distinction also lies in the time horizon of the investor. Value Investors tend to be holders rather than in and out traders. Value investors tend to take more time in to analyze and selet their investments. They are not in the game for the quick score, but for a long term winning record covering decades or forever.

I leave further discussion to other posters. There is a bunch more that distinguishes between value investors and other investors.

Regards
Steve

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Mark Perkins on Mon, 2007-04-09 07:55
Title: I'm sorry this probably
I'm sorry this probably wasn't the idea of the original topic thread to include my ideas. My question wasn't really necessary I guess as I know there are many, many different kinds of investors. I'd probably have to call myself a value investor for lack of a better grouping but I think its hard to group. I'm different than everyone else even though im long-term, contrarian, business oriented. I like to buy companies for less than what they are worth with predictable earnings and operations but I think that's just smart investing. Value investing has many connotations to different people some of which I don't even like. I guess if all the great investors called themselves value investors I would to but its sort of broad and vague. For example, I think some people think of value investing as only buying low price to book or pe stocks which isn't what it is to me. I was just saying it seems redundant like saying i got a "free" gift or something like that and can't be summed up with certain criteria. I suppose it can mean whatever one wants it to mean to them and is hard to categorize maybe. Does Buffett really call himself a value investor? I guess I just don't know where the value word came from in history and why its necessary as I pointed out.

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My 18 points guide to Successfully compounding your money in Stocks

Be a good stock picker.
Think as a business owner.
Always look at value rather than the price. Do the homework.
Buy and hold is alright for selected stocks.
Compounding is your friend, get this to work its magic.
Mr. Market is there to be taken advantage of. Do not be the sucker instead. BFS;STS.
Always buy a lot when the price is low.
Never buy when the stock is overpriced.
It is alright to buy when the selected stock is at a fair price.
Phasing in or dollar cost averaging is safe for such stocks during a downtrend, unless the price is still obviously too high.
Do not time the market for such or any stocks.
By keeping to the above strategy, the returns will be delivered through the growth of the company's business.
So, when do you sell the stock? Almost never, as long as the fundamentals remain sound and the future prospects intact.
The downside risk is protected through only buying when the price is low or fairly priced.
Tactical dynamic asset allocation or rebalancing based on valuation can be employed but this sounds easier than is practical, except in extreme market situations.
Sell urgently when the company business fundamental has deteriorated irreversibly.
You may also wish to sell should the growth of the company has obviously slowed and you can reinvest into another company with greater growth potential of similar quality. However, unlike point 16, you can do so leisurely.
In conclusion, a critical key to successful investing is in your stock picking ability.

http://myinvestingnotes.blogspot.com/2012/07/my-18-points-guide-to-successfully.html

11 Lessons From Peter Lynch

Peter Lynch taught me:

1. Behind every stock is a company. Find out what it’s doing.
2. Never invest in any idea you can’t illustrate with a crayon.
3. Over the short term, there may be no correlation between the success of a company’s operations and the success of its stock. Over the long term, there’s a 100% correlation.
4. Buying stocks without studying the companies is the same as playing poker – and never looking at your cards.
5. Time is on your side when you own shares of superior companies.
6. Owning stock is like having children. Don’t get involved with more than you can handle.
7. When the insiders are buying, it’s a good sign.
8. Unless you’re a short seller, it never pays to be pessimistic.
9. A stock market decline is as predictable as a January blizzard in Colorado. If you’re prepared, it can’t hurt you.
10. Everyone has the brainpower to make money in stocks. Not everyone has the stomach.
11. Nobody can predict interest rates, the future direction of the economy, or the stock market. Dismiss all such forecasts and concentrate on what’s actually happening to the companies in which you’ve invested.

Lynch’s advice had a profound effect on my stock market approach. He taught me that investment success isn’t the result of developing the right macro-economic view or deciding when to jump in or out of the market. Success is about researching companies to identify those that are likely to report positive surprises.

Capital Expenditure

A great company with a Durable Competitive Advantage will have a ratio of Capital Expenditures to Net Income of less than 25%. Less is better.

Capital Expenditures are expenses on:
- fixed assets such as equipment, property, or industrial buildings
- fixing problems with an asset
- preparing an asset to be used in business
- restoring property
- starting new businesses

A good company will have a ratio of Capital Expenditures to Net Income of less than 50%.

A great company with a Durable Competitive Advantage will have a ratio of less than 25%.

Less is better.

Benjamin Graham's 113 Wise Words

The true investor scarcely ever is forced to sell his shares, and at all times he is free to disregard the current price quotation. He need pay attention to it and act upon it only to the extent that it suits his book, and no more. Thus the investor who permits himself to be stampeded or unduly worried by unjustified market declines in his holdings is perversely transforming his basic advantage into a basic disadvantage. That man would be better off if his stocks had no market quotation at all, for he would then be spared the mental anguish caused him by other persons' mistakes of judgement."

Philip Fisher's Wise Words

"The refusal to sell at a loss, while completely natural and normal, is probably one of the most dangerous in which we can indulge ourselves in the entire investment process.

More money has probably been lost by investors holding a stock they really did not want until they could 'at least come out even' than from any other single reason. If to these actual losses are added the profits that might have been made through the proper reinvestment of these funds if such reinvestment had been made when the mistake was first realized, the cost of self-indulgence becomes truly tremendous."

(Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits)

The Ultimate Hold-versus-Sell Test

Here is the overriding primary test, followed by observations on why it is so critically important:

Knowing all that you now know and expect about the company and its stock (not what you originally believed or hoped at time of purchase), and assuming that you had available capital, and assuming that it would not cause a portfolio imbalance to do so, would you buy this stock today, at today's price?

No equivocation. Yes or no?

Answers such as maybe or probably are not acceptable since they are ways of dodging the issue. No investor probably buys a stock; they either place an order or do not.

Here is the implication of your answer to that critical test: if you did not answer with a clear affirmative, you should sell; only if you said a strong yes, are you justified to hold.

Some thoughts on Analysing Stocks (KISS)

Ideally a stock you plan to purchase should have all of the following charateristics:

• A rising trend of earnings dividends and book value per share.
• A balance sheet with less debt than other companies in its particular industry.
• A P/E ratio no higher than average.
• A dividend yield that suits your particular needs.
• A below-average dividend pay-out ratio.
• A history of earnings and dividends not pockmarked by erratic ups and downs.
• Companies whose ROE is 15 or better.
• A ratio of price to cash flow (P/CF) that is not too high when compared to other stocks in the same industry.

Margin of Safety Concept: Stocks should be bought like groceries, not like perfume

The high CAGR in the early years of the investing period, due to buying at a discount, tended to decline and approach that of the intrinsic EPS GR of the companies over a longer investment time-frame.

Chapter 20 - “Margin of Safety” as the Central Concept of Investment

A single quote by Graham on page 516 struck me:

Observation over many years has taught us that the chief losses to investors come from the purchase of low-quality securities at times of favorable business conditions.

Basically, Graham is saying that most stock investors lose money because they invest in companies that seem good at a particular point in time, but are lacking the fundamentals of a long-lasting stable company.

This seems obvious on the surface, but it’s actually a great argument for thinking more carefully about your individual stock investments. If most of your losses come from buying companies that seem healthy but really aren’t, isn’t that a profound argument for carefully studying any company you might invest in?

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Wednesday 27 October 2010

What is Value Investing?

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