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Tuesday, 20 July 2010

PBB has been and is still a very rewarding stock.

Blog Capsule: bullbear vs Moolah on PBBANK

http://fusioninvestor.blogspot.com/2008/07/blog-capsule-bullbear-vs-moolah-on.html

Consequences must dominate Probabilities

http://myinvestingnotes.blogspot.com/2008/10/consequences-must-dominate.html

What lessons can be derived from the above, if any?

Was it luck, discipline or serendipity?

I bought PBB at these dates and at these prices. There were no sell transactions.



	03-Apr-07	8.75
	24-Apr-07	9.25
	05-Jul-07	9.7
	15-Aug-07	9.5
	15-Aug-07	9.5
	22-Aug-07	8.75
	28-Aug-07	9.35
	25-Sep-07	9.55
	28-Jan-08	10.7
	11-Jun-09	8.95
	12-Oct-09	10.52
	12-Oct-09	10.48
PBBANK	20-Jul-10		12.2

3 comments:

investbullbear said...: 12.1.2011
PBB 13.46 per share; Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:00:00 am
investbullbear said...: Dividends of PBB

Date
Aug 3, 2010
0.25 Dividend

Feb 3, 2010
0.25 Dividend

Aug 3, 2009
0.30 Dividend

Feb 26, 2009
0.25 Dividend

Aug 1, 2008
0.30 Dividend

Feb 27, 2008
0.10 Dividend

Aug 1, 2007
0.25 Dividend

Mar 16, 2007
0.10 Dividend

Oct 3, 2006
0.20 Dividend

Mar 21, 2006
0.15 Dividend; Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:22:00 pm
investbullbear said...: Blog Capsule: bullbear vs Moolah on PBBANK
http://fusioninvestor.blogspot.com/2008/07/blog-capsule-bullbear-vs-moolah-on.html

WEDNESDAY, JULY 9, 2008
Blog Capsule: bullbear vs Moolah on PBBANK
The background is we were discussing a rather passionate topic close to our hearts which is Selling.

The primary participants are bullbear vs Moolah. Related participants are myself, dorraidd, and a few others.

bullbear is of the position that for a stock like PBBANK, one would only need to buy and hold forever. He does have a qualification that provided the fundmentals don't deteriorate, and his timing appears to be to wait until there is confirmed deterioration.

In fact, from past discussions, bullbear indicated that he is inspired by his friends who has successfully held stocks for many, many years (the impression given is that it is decades). He also doesn't believe that he can market time successfully. For example, when asked why he didn't sell now, he says he thinks that we are already 2/3rd through the bear market and there is only 1/3rd left to go. He qualifies that he doesn't really know from memory.

bullbear naturally and strongly believe in this Buy and Hold view, and thinks it applies to many other stocks as well, that may range in 100 (?), so long as it meets his requirement. Unfortunately, I don't know exactly his requirement, but I welcome him to comment on it if he wants to elaborate further.

On the other hand, we have Moolah who looks at the situation from a different angle.

From his perspective, there are at least 2 reasons to sell PBBANK today, or as soon as possible.

The reference price is $10.1.

His reasons are: 1. When viewed over the last decade, we are smacked right in the middle of a GLOBAL Bear market. The belief is that bull markets rarely comes to Malaysia (about once every few years or decades), and when the bear starts, they will not immediately stop. The implication is that things will get worse, and PBBANK will be dragged down with the rest of the stocks. 2. The stock suffers a potential risk that it is highly dependent on certain large shareowner and founder still around. Since he is not getting younger even though everyone wants him to live forever, the risks of him leaving gets increasingly higher as he ages.

Hence, this experiment.

Treat this like a Blog Capsule.

Let's open this email again in 2 years time from now to see who is right.

Will it be bullbear - the advocate of Buy and Hold i.e. in 2 years time, PBBANK will be higher than $10.1?

Or will it be Moolah - the advocate that there is a time to sell, and the time around now would seem close. (I think he prefers higher, but he believes deep in his heart that even now, the time is to sell). I.e. in 2 years time, PBBANK will not be significantly higher than $10.1, and more likely to be lower than $10.1?

I guess, in this case, only time will tell, although I of course do have my own opinion ... :-)

Take care.
POSTED BY SENG AT 3:51 PM
LABELS: BLOG CAPSULE, PBBANK

VERDICT:
Price of PBB on 20-Jul-2010 was RM 12.2 per share.; Sunday, December 18, 2022 8:03:00 pm

My 18 points guide to Successfully compounding your money in Stocks

Be a good stock picker.
Think as a business owner.
Always look at value rather than the price. Do the homework.
Buy and hold is alright for selected stocks.
Compounding is your friend, get this to work its magic.
Mr. Market is there to be taken advantage of. Do not be the sucker instead. BFS;STS.
Always buy a lot when the price is low.
Never buy when the stock is overpriced.
It is alright to buy when the selected stock is at a fair price.
Phasing in or dollar cost averaging is safe for such stocks during a downtrend, unless the price is still obviously too high.
Do not time the market for such or any stocks.
By keeping to the above strategy, the returns will be delivered through the growth of the company's business.
So, when do you sell the stock? Almost never, as long as the fundamentals remain sound and the future prospects intact.
The downside risk is protected through only buying when the price is low or fairly priced.
Tactical dynamic asset allocation or rebalancing based on valuation can be employed but this sounds easier than is practical, except in extreme market situations.
Sell urgently when the company business fundamental has deteriorated irreversibly.
You may also wish to sell should the growth of the company has obviously slowed and you can reinvest into another company with greater growth potential of similar quality. However, unlike point 16, you can do so leisurely.
In conclusion, a critical key to successful investing is in your stock picking ability.

http://myinvestingnotes.blogspot.com/2012/07/my-18-points-guide-to-successfully.html

11 Lessons From Peter Lynch

Peter Lynch taught me:

1. Behind every stock is a company. Find out what it’s doing.
2. Never invest in any idea you can’t illustrate with a crayon.
3. Over the short term, there may be no correlation between the success of a company’s operations and the success of its stock. Over the long term, there’s a 100% correlation.
4. Buying stocks without studying the companies is the same as playing poker – and never looking at your cards.
5. Time is on your side when you own shares of superior companies.
6. Owning stock is like having children. Don’t get involved with more than you can handle.
7. When the insiders are buying, it’s a good sign.
8. Unless you’re a short seller, it never pays to be pessimistic.
9. A stock market decline is as predictable as a January blizzard in Colorado. If you’re prepared, it can’t hurt you.
10. Everyone has the brainpower to make money in stocks. Not everyone has the stomach.
11. Nobody can predict interest rates, the future direction of the economy, or the stock market. Dismiss all such forecasts and concentrate on what’s actually happening to the companies in which you’ve invested.

Lynch’s advice had a profound effect on my stock market approach. He taught me that investment success isn’t the result of developing the right macro-economic view or deciding when to jump in or out of the market. Success is about researching companies to identify those that are likely to report positive surprises.

Capital Expenditure

A great company with a Durable Competitive Advantage will have a ratio of Capital Expenditures to Net Income of less than 25%. Less is better.

Capital Expenditures are expenses on:
- fixed assets such as equipment, property, or industrial buildings
- fixing problems with an asset
- preparing an asset to be used in business
- restoring property
- starting new businesses

A good company will have a ratio of Capital Expenditures to Net Income of less than 50%.

A great company with a Durable Competitive Advantage will have a ratio of less than 25%.

Less is better.

Benjamin Graham's 113 Wise Words

The true investor scarcely ever is forced to sell his shares, and at all times he is free to disregard the current price quotation. He need pay attention to it and act upon it only to the extent that it suits his book, and no more. Thus the investor who permits himself to be stampeded or unduly worried by unjustified market declines in his holdings is perversely transforming his basic advantage into a basic disadvantage. That man would be better off if his stocks had no market quotation at all, for he would then be spared the mental anguish caused him by other persons' mistakes of judgement."

Philip Fisher's Wise Words

"The refusal to sell at a loss, while completely natural and normal, is probably one of the most dangerous in which we can indulge ourselves in the entire investment process.

More money has probably been lost by investors holding a stock they really did not want until they could 'at least come out even' than from any other single reason. If to these actual losses are added the profits that might have been made through the proper reinvestment of these funds if such reinvestment had been made when the mistake was first realized, the cost of self-indulgence becomes truly tremendous."

(Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits)

The Ultimate Hold-versus-Sell Test

Here is the overriding primary test, followed by observations on why it is so critically important:

Knowing all that you now know and expect about the company and its stock (not what you originally believed or hoped at time of purchase), and assuming that you had available capital, and assuming that it would not cause a portfolio imbalance to do so, would you buy this stock today, at today's price?

No equivocation. Yes or no?

Answers such as maybe or probably are not acceptable since they are ways of dodging the issue. No investor probably buys a stock; they either place an order or do not.

Here is the implication of your answer to that critical test: if you did not answer with a clear affirmative, you should sell; only if you said a strong yes, are you justified to hold.

Some thoughts on Analysing Stocks (KISS)

Ideally a stock you plan to purchase should have all of the following charateristics:

• A rising trend of earnings dividends and book value per share.
• A balance sheet with less debt than other companies in its particular industry.
• A P/E ratio no higher than average.
• A dividend yield that suits your particular needs.
• A below-average dividend pay-out ratio.
• A history of earnings and dividends not pockmarked by erratic ups and downs.
• Companies whose ROE is 15 or better.
• A ratio of price to cash flow (P/CF) that is not too high when compared to other stocks in the same industry.

Margin of Safety Concept: Stocks should be bought like groceries, not like perfume

The high CAGR in the early years of the investing period, due to buying at a discount, tended to decline and approach that of the intrinsic EPS GR of the companies over a longer investment time-frame.

Chapter 20 - “Margin of Safety” as the Central Concept of Investment

A single quote by Graham on page 516 struck me:

Observation over many years has taught us that the chief losses to investors come from the purchase of low-quality securities at times of favorable business conditions.

Basically, Graham is saying that most stock investors lose money because they invest in companies that seem good at a particular point in time, but are lacking the fundamentals of a long-lasting stable company.

This seems obvious on the surface, but it’s actually a great argument for thinking more carefully about your individual stock investments. If most of your losses come from buying companies that seem healthy but really aren’t, isn’t that a profound argument for carefully studying any company you might invest in?

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Tuesday, 20 July 2010

PBB has been and is still a very rewarding stock.

Blog Capsule: bullbear vs Moolah on PBBANK

Consequences must dominate Probabilities

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