Buffett: My job is to take advantage of the craziness of Mr. Market; whacking him when he gets way out of line

March 31, 2008

Question: What are your thoughts about the Chinese Stock market?



Buffett:


The Chinese stock market? I don’t know what markets are going to do.  When I was over in China they were bombarding me with questions about the market and of course you have these A shares, including Petro China, which was going public in China.  Petro China and others were trading at twice the price within China (at that time Chinese people were not permitted to buy shares in Hong Kong or in the United States) than outside China.  This was really extraordinary.  If you knew these restrictions were going to break down it would have been great to short the stocks in China and buy them elsewhere around the world.


But the Chinese stock market has 1.2 billion people waking up to the stock markets and having an investing or gambling urge.  The stock market was becoming wildly popular as we know in China.  Petro China at one time, based on the Chinese prices, was the most valuable company in the world, and was selling for over 1 trillion dollars, whereas Exxon was only worth 500 billion.  This made Petro China twice as valuable as the largest company in the world. 


I have no idea why and where that many people were relatively new to the market and were very excited about stocks.  You do know in the end you have to buy things on a basis of when you get a value for what you pay.  This seemed to lose relevance in a market like China.  They had a situation like that in Kuwait 20 years ago.  When a whole society, and a rich society, (certainly far richer than 15 years ago), a huge market opened up for them.  I have no idea whether the people get friendlier or crazier.  That is not my game.


My game is simply to buy something worth a dollar for 50 cents.  Then if they go crazy in the right direction it helps me and if they go crazy in the other direction I  just buy more.  


My job is to take advantage of craziness.  And that goes back to Ben Graham’s Intelligent Investor chapter 8.  If you are going to invest based on value with a partner (lets say Mr. Market) - let’s say you each own half of a McDonalds stand.  Every day he quotes a price at which he either wants to buy me out or sell me his interest.  If he hears a bad rumour he low-balls it, so I buy.  Other days he is all excited about some Burger King burning down and seeing some line ups and decides to give a high offer, so I sell.

If I’m going to have a partner like that what kind of partner do I want?  I want a psycho.  The stupider he gets the better I am going to do.  I don’t want some cool, calm rational partner.  I want somebody with huge ups and downs - a manic depressive.  Basically that’s what you get in the stock market some times.  As long as you realize he is there to serve you, and not to instruct you, you can make a lot of money.  You can’t listen to Mr. Market and think he must be right.  Only listen to what he says in the context of: when this guy gets way out of line I am going to whack him.  And basically that’s what you get in the stock market.

In China you can’t tell how far the markets will go to extremes.  You can’t tell that, I have no idea where the markets are going to go tomorrow or the next day or the next month or the next year.  I do know that in the end stocks tend to sell for what they are worth.  At least in the range of what they are worth.   They go all over the place in between - but tend to true value in the end.




A Discussion of Mr. Warren Buffett with Dr. George Athanassakos and
Ivey MBA and HBA students
Omaha, NB, March 31, 2008, 10:00 am - 12:00 pm

http://www.bengrahaminvesting.ca/Resources/Interviews_Notes/Buffett_March_31_2008.pdf

The manic-depressive Mr. Market does not always price stocks correctly.

On March 17, 2000, the stock of Inktomi Corp. hit a new high of $231.625.

• Since they first came on the market in June 1998, shares in the Internet-searching software company had gained roughly 1,900%.
• Just in the few weeks since December 1999, the stock had nearly tripled.

What was going on at Inktomi the business that could make Inktomi the stock so valuable?

• The answer seems obvious: phenomenally fast growth.
• In the three months ending in December 1999, Inktomi sold $36 million in products and services, more than it had in the entire year ending in December 1998.
• If Inktomi could sustain its growth rate of the previous 12 months for just five more years, its revenues would explode from $36 million a quarter to $5 billion a month.
• With such growth in sight, the faster the stock went up, the farther up it seemed certain to go.

But in his wild love affair with Inktomi's stock, Mr. Market was overlooking something about its business.

• The company was losing money - lots of it.
• It had lost $6 million in the most recent quarter, $24 million in the 12 months before that, and $24 million in the year before that.
• In its entire corporate lifetime, Inktomi had never made a dime in profits.
• Yet, on March 17, 2000, Mr. Market valued this tiny business at a total of $25 BILLION. (Yes, that's BILLION, with a B.)

And then Mr. Market went into a sudden, nightmarish depression.

• On September 30, 2002, just two and a half years after hitting $231,625 per share, Inktomi's stock closed at 25 cents - collapsing from a total market value of $25 billion to less than $40 million.

Had Inktomi's business dried up?

• Not at all; over the previous 12 months, the company had generated $113 million in revenues.

So what had changed? Only Mr. Market's mood:

• In early 2000, investors were so wild about the Internet that they priced Inktomi's shares at 250 times the company's revenues.
• Now, however, they would pay only 0.35 times its revenues.
• Mr. Market had morphed from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde and was ferociously trashing every stock that had made a fool out of him.

But Mr. Market was no more justified in his midnight rage than he had been in his manic euphoria.

• On December 23, 2002, Yahoo! Inc. announced that it would buy Inktomi for $1.65 per share.
• That was nearly seven times Inktomi's stock price on September 30.
• History will probably show that Yahoo! got a bargain.
• When Mr. Market makes stocks so cheap, it's no wonder that entire companies get bought right out from under him.

(As Graham noted in a classic series of articles in 1932, the Great Depression caused the shares of dozens of companies to drop below the value of their cash and other liquid assets, making them "worth more dead than alive.")


Lessons:

Most of the time, the market is mostly accurate in pricing most stocks.

Millions of buyers and sellers haggling over price do a remarkably good job of valuing companies - on average.

But sometimes, the price is not right; occasionally, it is very wrong indeed.

And at such times, you need to understand Graham's image of Mr. Market, probably the most brilliant metaphor ever created for explaining how stocks can become mispriced.

The manic-depressive Mr. Market does not always price stocks the way an appraiser or a private buyer would value a business.

Instead, when stocks are going up, he happily pays more than their objective value; and, when they are going down, he is desperate to dump them for less than their true worth.

Is Mr. Market still around? Is he still bipolar? You bet he is.


Ref: cc Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham