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Friday, 26 June 2026

Expectations Investing

 


Expectations Investing: Reading Stock Prices for Better Returns || Full Book Explained ||Expectations Investing Made Simple Understand How the Market Thinks and Make Smarter Investment Decisions Most investors believe making money in the stock market is about finding great companies. They focus on past performance, strong growth, and popular trends. They assume that a good company automatically leads to good returns. This belief creates confusion, poor decisions, and inconsistent results. Because the market does not reward what is good. It rewards what is better than expected. And this is where most people go wrong. They ignore expectations. Every stock price already reflects a story about the future. It includes assumptions about growth, profits, and competition. If reality matches expectations, nothing special happens. If reality is better, prices rise. If reality is worse, prices fall. This changes everything. This video will completely shift the way you think about investing. In Expectations Investing Made Simple, you will learn how to decode stock prices and understand what the market really expects. You will stop guessing. You will start thinking clearly. This is not about complex formulas or fast money. It is about understanding how the market works at a deeper level. You will learn how to identify opportunities others miss. How to avoid common traps. And how to make decisions with confidence. A calm and logical approach that replaces confusion with clarity. A method that focuses on expectations instead of emotions. 🔑 What You’ll Learn in This Video ✔ Why expectations drive stock prices ✔ How the market values companies ✔ What is already priced into every stock ✔ How to uncover hidden assumptions ✔ Why good companies are not always good investments ✔ How to identify gaps between expectations and reality ✔ When to buy, sell, or hold with confidence ✔ Why valuation models are not enough on their own ✔ How economic factors influence expectations ✔ What mergers and acquisitions reveal about companies ✔ How share buybacks can create or destroy value ✔ Why management incentives shape long term outcomes ✔ How to think independently and avoid the crowd ✔ Why patience and discipline lead to better results ✔ How to build a structured investing process 📚 Chapters Time Stamps. 00:00 – Intro 03:23 – Part 1 05:59 – Chapter one. The Case for Expectations Investing. 12:46 – Chapter two. How the Market Values Stocks. 20:00 – Chapter three. The Expectations Infrastructure. 27:15 – Chapter four. Analyzing Competitive Strategy. 34:09 – Part 2 37:46 – Chapter five. How to Estimate Price Implied Expectations. 47:01 – Chapter six. Identifying Expectations Opportunities. 54:36 – Chapter seven. Buy, Sell, or Hold. 01:01:51 – Chapter eight. Beyond Discounted Cash Flow. 01:08:57 – Part 3 01:13:18 – Chapter nine. Across the Economic Landscape. 01:22:21 – Chapter ten. Mergers and Acquisitions. 01:30:23 – Chapter eleven. Share Buybacks. 01:37:56 – Chapter twelve. Incentive Compensation. 🧠 Who This Video Is For ✅ Beginners who want to understand how the stock market really works ✅ Investors who feel confused by price movements ✅ People tired of following the crowd without results ✅ Long term thinkers who want a clear and logical approach ✅ Anyone who wants to invest with confidence and discipline 🌱 Core Message Investing is not about predicting the future perfectly. It is about understanding expectations better than others. It is not about finding good companies. It is about finding mispriced expectations. It is not about reacting to the market. It is about thinking ahead of it. You do not need more information. You need better interpretation. Because in the end, success in investing comes to those who stay patient, think clearly, and focus on what truly matters





Based on the video titled "Expectations Investing: Reading Stock Prices for Better Returns || Full Book Explained" from the Billionaires Library channel, here is a summary of the key ideas from the book by Michael J. Mauboussin and Alfred Rappaport.


The Core Idea: Reverse-Engineering Stock Prices

Traditional investing usually starts by forecasting a company's future cash flows to estimate its "intrinsic value," then comparing that to the stock price. Expectations Investing flips this process entirely.

Instead of starting with a company's prospects, it begins with a known quantity: the current stock price. The goal is to reverse-engineer this price to understand the expectations already baked into it by the market.

As the book's framework puts it: "Rather than forecast cash flows, expectations investing starts by reading the expectations implied by a company's stock price."


The Three-Step Expectations Investing Process

The book outlines a clear, three-step process for this approach:

StepActionDescription
1Reverse Engineer Stock PricesUse a discounted cash flow (DCF) model to work backward from the stock price. This reveals the level of future financial performance the market is currently expecting.
2Analyze Historical & Strategic FactorsEvaluate the company's historical performance and its strategic position. This helps you assess whether the market's current expectations are realistic or not.
3Make Buy, Sell, or Hold DecisionsCompare your own analysis of the company's prospects with the expectations implied by the stock price. If you believe future revisions to expectations will be positive, you buy; if negative, you sell.

Why This Approach Works

The key to superior returns, according to the book, is not just identifying a good company, but anticipating revisions to the market's expectations.

By focusing on the gap between the price (and its embedded expectations) and the value (based on your analysis), investors can make more informed decisions. This framework is designed to be powerful and insightful, helping investors evaluate stocks in any sector or geography more effectively than standard approaches.


In a Nutshell

Expectations Investing provides a practical, market-aware framework for stock selection. It moves beyond simple forecasting to teach investors how to "read" the market's message in a stock price and then bet on whether those expectations will be proven right or wrong.


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The three-step process from Expectations Investing:

The book outlines a clear, three-step process for applying this framework, beginning with the critical task of reverse-engineering stock prices. 

1.  Reverse-engineering stock prices

Using a discounted cash flow (DCF) model, investors work backward from the current stock price to reveal the precise level of future financial performance that the market is currently expecting. 


2.  Analyze Historical & Strategic Factors

Once these implied expectations are extracted, the next step is to analyze the company's historical performance and its broader strategic position, evaluating factors such as competitive advantages, industry dynamics, and management effectiveness to assess whether the market's embedded assumptions are realistic or grossly mispriced. 


3.  Make Buy, Sell, or Hold Decisions

Finally, this analysis culminates in the buy, sell, or hold decision, where investors directly compare their own independent assessment of the company's prospects against the expectations implied by the stock price. The ultimate goal is not merely to find a good company, but to anticipate future revisions to those expectations—if your analysis suggests that the market will eventually revise its expectations upward, you buy; if you foresee negative revisions ahead, you sell or avoid the stock.

Wednesday, 13 March 2019

Deep Value Investing has its Inherent Problems.

Buffett said it best:

Unless you are a liquidator, that kind of approach to buying businesses is foolish.

  • First, the original 'bargain' price probably will not turn out to be such a steal after all. In a difficult business, no sooner is one problem solved than another surfaces - never is there just one cockroach in the kitchen. 
  • Second, any initial advantage you secure will be quickly eroded by the low return that the business earns ...

There are better ways to make money (see below).


Warren Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway shareholder letter, 1989.
http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1989.html





When the overall market valuation is high, and everything else is rising, those dropping and appearing in the deep-bargain screener probably deserved to be traded by low valuations.

  • Their stock prices were likely low for the right reasons, and buying these would likely have resulted in deep losses.
  • Therefore, when it comes to deep-value investing, investors need to be cautious and aware of this approach's inherent problems.




The inherent problems with deep value investing

"Cigar-butt investing"

This was coined by Buffett for the strategy of buying mediocre businesses at prices that are much lower than the companies' net asset values.

He said the approach is like "a cigar butt found on the street that has only one puff left in it and may not offer much of a smoke, but the "bargain purchase" will make that puff all profit."




There are several problems with this approach.

1. Erosion of value over time.

Mediocre businesses do not create value for their shareholders; instead, they destroy business value over time.

The value of the business can decline and the initial margin of safety may gradually shrink, even if the stock price doesn't go up.

Investors need to be lucky enough to have the stock prices rise in time and sell before prices drop again following the intrinsic value of the business.

"Time is the friend of the wonderful business, the enemy of the mediocre." Buffett wrote in his 1989 shareholder letter.


2. Timing and Pain

Buy these bargain portfolios when you can find plenty of them, but if the broad market is in quick decline, like in 2008, the bargain portfolio will be very likely to lose much more than the general market.

  • If the decline lasts longer, many of the companies in the portfolio may suffer steeper operating losses and may even go out of business.
  • It is much more painful to hold such a portfolio in bad times, as anyone who owns these stocks during bear markets or recessions will attest - and lose much sleep over.

Because of the quick erosion of business value, selling the deep-asset bargains quickly is key, even if stock prices do not appreciate. The biggest profits are usually achieved within the first 12 months.

"If you buy something because it is undervalued, then you have to think about selling it when it approaches your calculation of its intrinsic value. That's hard." (Charlie Munger.)

Buffett likens buying mediocre businesses at deep bargain prices for a quick profit to dating without the intent of getting married. In that situation, it is essential to end the courtship at the right time and before the relationship turns sour.


3. Not Enough Stocks Qualify

To avoid errors and disasters caused by single stocks in the deep-bargain portfolio, it is important to have a diversified group of them.

But when the market valuation is high, it is just not possible to find enough stocks to satisfy the diversification requirement. They simply dried up as the market continued to tick higher.

This situation may last a long time, as the close-to-zero interest rate has lifted the valuations of all assets.


4. Tax Inefficiency

Because of the short holding time, any gain from the portfolio is subject to the same tax rate as the investor's income tax (for U.S. investors, unless it is in a retirement account.)

This drastically reduces the overall return over the long term.




If buying mediocre businesses at deep bargain prices for a quick profit is like a date without the intent of getting married, buying them and getting involved long term is like a marriage without love. A lot of other things need to be right to work things out, and it will never be a happy marriage.




Important Notes on Deep-Asset Bargains strategy


Though buying deep-asset bargains can be very profitable, this strategy comes with its inherent problems.

- This strategy comes with a much higher mental cost to investors.

- More importantly, business deterioration and the erosion of value put investors in a riskier position.

- As a result, they need to strictly follow the rules of maintaining a diversified portfolio and selling within 12 months whether investments worked out or not.




Ask yourself:

Why would you, as an investor, want to get involved in this mess (a deep-asset-bargain) and witness things deteriorating, hoping the situation will improve?

Even if it works out eventually, which is very unlikely (in the majority), the mental and psychological drain is simply not worth it.



There are better ways to make money.

Buy Only Good Companies!


"Bargain-purchase folly."


Instead of buying companies with deteriorating values on the cheap and hoping things will improve, why not buy companies that grow value over time?

Warren Buffett summarized in a single sentence the priceless lessons he learned from his personal "bargain-purchase folly".

"It is far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price."




Thursday, 17 April 2014

A quality strategy - appreciating the future earning potentials of wonderful companies.

Though Warren Buffett popularized the idea of the moat, he credits partner Charlie Munger for bringing him around to the idea that "it's far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price."

A quality strategy is a bet that the market doesn't appreciate wonderful companies enough, particularly their earnings potential many years out. 

As Charlie Munger said, "If a business earns 18% on capital over 20 or 30 years, even if you pay an expensive looking price, you'll end up with one hell of a result." 

(Of course, it's not easy to identify in advance firms that can sustain such high rates of return for so long.)




http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=643125&SR=Yahoo

Tuesday, 24 September 2013

Prospecting for Good Quality Stocks at the Right Price at any given time.

There are about 16,000 publicly owned companies in the U.S. for you to select from.  There are also about 3 times this number (48,000) of publicly owned companies in the other countries for you to select from too.

With so many companies, of course, some are much better candidates for your consideration than others.

Of these companies, fewer than 2% are likely to make the cut so far as your quality standards are concerned.

And perhaps, only 5% of THOSE might be available at the right price at any given time- and even this could be an overestimate.


Illustration:

1000 stocks

Only 20 are quality stocks (20/1000 = 2%)

Of these 20 quality stocks, only 1 is available at the right price at any given time, if at all. (1/20 = 5%)

Thursday, 6 June 2013

A significant inaccurate notion - Equating a lower absolute share price automatically to a better value.

When Ben Graham was teaching his investing course at Columbia University in the 1950s, he used a brilliant form of instruction to illustrate relationship between price and value.  He often took two consecutive securities from the stock tables and analysed the fundamentals.  This method roved to be an effective tool for illustrating the price/value relationship.  Of significant importance is the inaccurate notion that a lower absolute price automatically equates to a better value.

Thursday, 30 May 2013

Good quality company at fair price

COMPANY RD

Quarter High Pr Low Pr ttm-eps High PE Low PE
1 16.90 16.18 111.27 15.19 14.54
4 16.20 15.42 110.48 14.66 13.96
3 15.96 15.02 107.18 14.89 14.01
2 14.46 14.18 104.76 13.80 13.54
1 13.80 13.50 102.70 13.44 13.15
4 14.04 13.54 99.47 14.11 13.61
3 12.78 12.30 98.59 12.96 12.48
2 13.46 12.52 95.28 14.13 13.14
1 13.26 12.98 91.10 14.56 14.25
4 13.54 12.84 87.17 15.53 14.73
3 12.86 12.50 82.66 15.56 15.12
2 12.22 11.92 78.83 15.50 15.12
1 12.04 11.26 75.57 15.93 14.90
4 12.00 10.94 73.31 16.37 14.92
3 11.02 10.62 73.15 15.06 14.52
2 10.30 9.84 73.00 14.11 13.48
1 8.80 8.35 72.99 12.06 11.44
4 9.25 8.55 76.94 12.02 11.11
3 8.80 8.15 74.78 11.77 10.90
2 10.30 9.80 72.62 14.18 13.49
1 12.00 11.30 70.55 17.01 16.02
4 11.80 10.30 63.35 18.63 16.26
3 11.40 10.40 59.38 19.20 17.51
2 11.10 9.90 56.21 19.75 17.61
1 10.20 9.65 54.27 18.79 17.78
4 9.55 8.80 51.79 18.44 16.99
3 8.90 7.60 50.32 17.69 15.10
2 6.90 6.60 47.88 14.41 13.78
1 6.75 6.25 45.39 14.87 13.77
4 6.70 6.45 54.88 12.21 11.75
3 6.75 6.35 63.93 10.56 9.93
2 6.90 6.70 73.23 9.42 9.15
1 13.80 12.90 77.80 17.74 16.58
4 15.50 15.00 64.23 24.13 23.35
3 14.70 13.80 50.49 29.11 27.33
2 10.40 9.92 37.23 27.93 26.64
1 9.84 8.80 29.10 33.81 30.24


ttm-EPS Growth Rates
1yrCAGR 2yrCAGR 5YrCAGR 7YrCAGR 10YrCAGR
8.3% 10.5% 8.9% 13.7% 14.4%

HPE LPE
Avg 5 Yrs 14.29 13.62
Avg 10 Yrs 16.47 15.47

LDY% HDY%
Avg 5 Yrs 4.63% 4.87%
Avg 10 Yrs 6.51% 6.91%


Quarter Q1 eps   Q2 eps Q3 eps Q4  eps FYE eps
31-Dec-13 27.65 0.00 0.00 0.00 27.65
31/12/2012 26.86 27.20 28.08 28.34 110.48
31-Dec-11 23.63 25.14 25.66 25.04 99.47
31-Dec-10 19.70 20.96 22.35 24.16 87.17
31/12/2009 17.44 17.70 18.52 19.65 73.31
31-Dec-08 21.39 17.69 18.37 19.49 76.94
31-Dec-07 14.19 15.62 16.21 17.33 63.35
31-Dec-06 11.71 13.68 13.04 13.36 51.79
31-Dec-05 21.20 11.19 10.60 11.89 54.88
31-Dec-04 7.63 15.76 19.90 20.94 64.23
Sum 709.27
DPO 89.7%


Quarter FYE eps Div Ret Earn DPO%
31-Dec-13 27.65 0.00 27.65 0.0%
31/12/2012 110.48 50.00 60.48 45.3%
31-Dec-11 99.47 48.00 51.47 48.3%
31-Dec-10 87.17 58.00 29.17 66.5%
31/12/2009 73.31 55.00 18.31 75.0%
31-Dec-08 76.94 55.00 21.94 71.5%
31-Dec-07 63.35 75.00 -11.65 118.4%
31-Dec-06 51.79 60.00 -8.21 115.9%
31-Dec-05 54.88 55.00 -0.12 100.2%
31-Dec-04 64.23 180.00 -115.77 280.2%
Sum 709.27 636.00 73.27
DPO 89.7%
FYE eps Div
1YrCAGR 11.1% 4.2%
2YrCAGR 12.6% -7.2%
3Yr CAGR 14.6% -3.1%
5YrCAGR 11.8% -7.8%
8YrCAGR 7.0% -14.8%



Qtr NoROE 
122%
422%
322%
222%
123%
423%
325%
224%
125%
423%
324%
223%
123%
423%
325%
224%
126%
427%
327%
226%
127%
423%
323%
221%
121%
419%
320%
219%
118%
421%
329%
233%
118%
413%
310%
29%
114%


Summary:
At today's price, this company is trading at:
P/E of 15.2 x
DY of 2.96%

Its EPS GR is around 9% to 10% for recent years.
It distributes dividends yearly, though in recent years, it has retained more of its earnings in the company.  
However, given its high ROE of 22% or so, this greater portion of retained earnings is advantageous and beneficial to the long-term investors.
Though its share price has risen over the last 2 years in this bull market, its P/E has only increased minimally or modestly.  





Friday, 21 December 2012

Warren Buffett on how to obtain superior profits from stocks.


     An investor cannot obtain superior profits from stocks by simply committing to a specific investment category or style.  He can earn them only by carefully evaluating facts and continuously exercising discipline. 

     Common stocks are the most fun.  When conditions are right that is, when companies with good economics and good management sell well below intrinsic business value - stocks sometimes provide grand-slam home runs.  

  • We often find no equities that come close to meeting our tests.  
  • We do not predict markets, we think of the business.  
  • We have no idea - and never have had - whether the market is going to go up, down, or sideways in the near- or intermediate term future.

Friday, 15 June 2012

What should you do if you find that the price or P/E is significantly above or below the historically fair price or fair P/E mark?

"It is better to buy a wonderful company at fair price than a fair company at wonderful price."

In general, if you can buy a quality stock today for a historically fair price or fair P/E, you should probably do so, provided the reward and risk are attractive.

However, what should you do if you find that the price or P/E is significantly above or below the historically fair price or fair P/E mark?

A low price or low P/E is probably your biggest concern, because it suggests that people who are buying the stock today might know something negative about the company that you don't know.

Think about it.  Why would investors pay less for the stock than it has typically sold for?

  • Is there something in the news that you haven't heard about?  
  • Has an analyst - or have a number of analysts - announced a reduced expectation of future earnings based upon something they know that you don't know?  
  • Have you missed something in your quality analysis - or (shame on you!) recklessly jumped over that barbed-wire fence, failing to evaluate quality deliberately enough before moving on to look at the value considerations? 
(E.g. Transmile, KNM).

If the price or P/E is too low - move on to another company and forget about looking at the risk and reward.  You may miss a few good stocks, but you won't have to lose any sleep worrying about being wrong.



If the price or P/E ratio is too high, this tells you two things.

  1. The first is that other investors appear to agree with you about the quality issues, because they are paying a healthy price for the stock.  
  2. The second is that it may be too healthy a price.  
  • You may want to put off buying it until the price becomes more reasonable.  
  • Or, it may be worth the premium if the risk and reward are satisfactory.

(E.g. _____________)

Just know that, if you buy a stock whose price or P/E is too far above the fair price or fair P/E, when it later comes back down - which it usually will - the decrease in P/E can reduce your gain considerably.  Your chances of having a superior portfolio are far better if you select stocks for which you don't have to make any allowances.  


As you gain more experience, you'll find that you can make some intelligent exceptions in cases of high or low price or P/E, but for now, the advice for those who are just starting out, don't.

Friday, 4 May 2012

Quality: There are a relatively small number of truly outstanding companies. Their shares frequently can’t be bought at attractive prices.

Investment is most intelligent when it is most businesslike. 
Ben Graham - "The Intelligent Investor"

“There are a relatively small number of truly outstanding companies. Their shares frequently can’t be bought at attractive prices. Therefore, when favourable prices exist, full advantage should be taken of the situation.”
Philip A. Fisher, ‘Developing an Investment Philosophy’, 1980

The moral of this is that only an excellent business bought at an excellent price makes an excellent investment. One without the other just won’t do. 

Investors start from the premise that there is no philosophical distinction between part ownership (i.e. buying shares in a company) and outright ownership (i.e. buying the business in its entirety). All we are looking for is pieces of businesses to buy at the right price.

Warren Buffett put it thus:
 “Stocks are simple. All you do is buy shares in a great business for less than the business is intrinsically worth, with managers of the highest integrity and ability. Then you own those shares forever.”¹ 

Criteria for Stock Selection 


It follows that there are several important criteria that companies selected for investment consideration must exhibit in abundance. Among these are that:
  • Their business model is easily comprehensible; 
  •  They produce transparent financial statements; 
  •  They demonstrate consistent operational performance with earnings being relatively predicable; 
  •  They generate high returns on capital employed; 
  •  They convert a high proportion of accounting earnings into free cash; 
  •  Their balance sheet is strong without unduly high financial leverage; 
  •  Their management is focused on delivering shareholder value and is candid with the owners of the business; 
  •  Their growth strategy is more likely to rely on organic initiatives than frenetic acquisition activity. 
 Buy when the Odds are in Your Favour 

 Great investment opportunities come around when excellent companies are surrounded by unusual circumstances that cause their share prices to be misappraised. Again as Buffett puts it, “Price is what you pay, value is what you get”.² Having identified a universe of truly outstanding companies, we must wait until their shares can be bought at a price on the stockmarket that is substantially less than their true economic worth. 

References: 
 ¹ Warren E. Buffett, Forbes, 6 August 1990 
 ² Warren E. Buffett, Letter to Partners (Buffett Partnership), July 1966


http://www.sanford-deland.com/pages/quality+of+business