Investment merit at a given PRICE but not at another

Investment Policies (Based on Benjamin Graham)

PRICE: is frequently an essential element, so that a stock (and even a bond) may have investment merit at one price level but not at another.

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Having selected the company to invest based on various parameters, the next consideration will be the price we are willing to pay for owning part of its business.

Price is always an important consideration in investing. At a certain price, the company can be acquired at a bargain, at a fair price or at a high price. Each scenario will impact on our investment returns.

We should ALWAYS buy a good quality company at a BARGAIN PRICE (margin of safety). This allows us to lock in our potential gains at the time of buying at a favourable reward/risk ratio. This maybe when the upside gain: downside loss is at least 3:1.

There maybe FEW exceptional occasions when we may be willing to pay a FAIR PRICE for a good quality company. This is often the case when a good quality company is fancied by many investors and is often quoted in normal time at a high price.

However, we should NEVER (NEVER, NEVER) buy a good quality company at HIGH PRICE, whatever its earnings and growth prospects maybe. To do so will not only diminishes our potential investment returns, but may even results in a loss of our capital due to the unfavourable reward/risk ratio.

Don't time the market, it is difficult. However, there will be time when the market is on sale and the prices of stocks are at a bargain and there will be time when the market is exuberant and the prices of stocks are high or very high.

The market will always be there and we should choose when to buy and when to sell. We should only buy a stock when the PRICE IS RIGHT FOR US and sell a stock when the PRICE IS RIGHT FOR US.


(What is market timing? Timing is a term that refers to investing by buying everything or selling everything on the basis of the (faulty) assumption that one can predict the market's next move. Attempts to time are common, but academicians and practitioners have concluded that success happens through luck only on occasions that are quickly reversed and very costly.)

Market Fluctuations as a Guide to Investment Decisions (2) - Timing or Pricing

Stock Brokers and the Investment Services

As a matter of business practice (or perhaps of thorough-going conviction), the stock brokers and the investment services seem wedded to the principle that both investors and speculators in common stocks should devote careful attention to market forecasts.

The investor can scarcely take seriously the innumerable predictions which appear almost daily and are his for the asking.

In many cases, he pays attention to them and even acts upon them.  Why?

Because he has been persuaded that it is important for him to form some opinion of the future course of the stock market and because he feels that the brokerage or service forecast is at least more dependable than his own.

This attitude will transform the typical investor into a market trader and will bring the typical investor nothing but regrets.



Timing in a Bull Market

During a sustained bull movement, when it is easy to make money by simply swimming with the speculative tide, he will gradually lose interest in the quality and the value of the securities he is buying and become more and more engrossed in the fascinating game of beating the market.

He begins by studying market movements as a "commonsense investment precaution" or a "desirable supplement to his study of security value"; he ends as a stock-market speculator, indistinguishable from all the rest.


Market Forecasting (or Timing)

A great deal of brain power goes into this field.

Undoubtedly some people can make money by being good stock-market analysts.

But it is absurd to think that the general public can ever make money out of market forecasts.

There is no basis either in logic or in experience for assuming that any typical or average investor can anticipate market movements more successfully than the general public, of which he is himself a part.


Timing and the Speculator

Timing is of great psychological importance to the speculator because he wants to make his profit in a hurry.

The idea of waiting a year before his stock moves up is repugnant to him.



Timing and the Investor

But a waiting period of such, is of no consequence to the investor.  

• What advantage is there to him in having his money uninvested until he receives some (presumably) trustworthy signal that the time has come to buy?
• He enjoys an advantage only if by waiting he succeeds in buying later at a sufficiently lower price to offset his loss of dividend income.

Timing is of little value to the investor unless it coincides with pricing, that is, unless it enables him to repurchase his shares at substantially under his previous selling price.

Market Fluctuations as a Guide to Investment Decisions (1) - Timing or Pricing

Common stocks, even of investment grade, are subject to recurrent and wide fluctuations in their prices.

Should the intelligent investor be interested in the possibilities of profiting from these pendulum swings?

There are two possible ways he may try to do this:

• the way of timing and 
• the way of pricing.

Timing

By timing, the investor try to anticipate the action of the stock market - to buy or hold when the future course is deemed to be upward, to sell or refrain from buying when the course is downward.


Pricing

By pricing, the investor endeavours

• to buy stocks when they are quoted below the fair value and 
• to sell them when they rise above such value.

A less ambitious form of pricing is the simple effort to make sure that when you buy you do not pay too much for your stocks.

This may suffice for the defensive investor, whose emphasis is on long-pull holding; but as such it represents an essential minimum of attention to market levels.


Pricing or Timing?

The intelligent investor can derive satisfactory results from pricing of either type.

If he places his emphasis on timing, in the sense of forecasting, he will end up as a speculator and with a speculator's financial results.

Marketing Mix - 7 Ps

Price is not value, pricing is not valuation, and pricing models are not valuation models.

A valuation model is an effective method for estimating economic value.


Another term that is used to refer to economic value is "fundamental value", which derives the quantity of value from so-called fundamental economic metrics generated by a firm at the firm-level, in contrast to pricing metrics generated by a securities market at the security-level. 


Price is not value, pricing is not valuation, and pricing models are not valuation models. 


The conventional academic capital asset pricing model has one factor, the beta coefficient. 

• Models that include beta are pricing models, not valuation models. 
• This is not merely a matter of semantics. 

The difference between price and value, referred to as the margin of safety, is the raison d'etre of investment valuation independent of market pricing.


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Two ways to profit from the market swings: Timing or Pricing

Since common stocks, even of investment grade, are subject to recurrent and wide fluctuations in their prices, the intelligent investor should be interested in the possibilities of profiting from these pendulum swings. There are two possible ways by which  he may try to do this:

• the way of timing and 
• the way of  pricing.

By timing we mean the endeavor to anticipate the action of the stock market—

• to buy or hold when the future course is deemed to be upward, 
• to sell or refrain from buying when the course is downward. 

By pricing we mean the endeavor

• to buy stocks when they are quoted below their fair value and 
• to sell them when they rise above such value. 

A less ambitious form of pricing is  the simple effort to make sure that when you buy you do not  pay too much for your stocks. 

• This may suffice for the defensive investor, whose emphasis is on long-pull holding; but as  such it represents an essential minimum of attention to market levels.

We are convinced that the intelligent investor can derive satisfactory results from pricing of either type. 

We are equally sure that if he places his emphasis on timing, in the sense of forecasting, he will end up as a speculator and with a speculator’s financial results. 

This distinction may seem rather tenuous to the layman, and it is not commonly accepted on Wall Street. As a matter of business practice, or perhaps of thoroughgoing conviction, the stock brokers and the investment services seem wedded to the principle that both investors and speculators in common stocks should devote careful attention to market forecasts.

Market Timing - If you absolutely must play the horses

Though Benjamin Graham in no way recommend trying it, he did say that there is a way to combine market timing and value investing principles.

However, Graham noted, the method makes heavy demands on human fortitude, and it can keep an investor out of long stretches of a booming market*.  It sounds simple.  Yet for those who realize how difficult it is to follow, this strategy can diminish the risk of trading on market movements.

Here is the way it works:

1.  Select a diversified list of common stocks (for example, buying undervalued stocks).
2.  Determine a normal value for each stock (choose the PE ratio that seems appropriate).
3.  Buy the stocks when shares can be bought at a substantial discount - say, two-thirds of what the investor has established as normal value.  As an alternative to buying at one target price, the investor can start buying as the stock declines, beginning at 80 percent of normal value.
4.  *Sell the stocks when the price has risen substantially above normal value - say 20 percent to 50 percent higher.

The investor thus would buy in a market decline and sell in a rising market.


Comment:
*When you buy wonderful companies at fair prices, you often do not need to sell.  You may consider selling some or all when the stock prices are obviously very overvalued.  In these situations, the upside gains are limited and the downside losses are high.  These will impair the total returns of your portfolio.  However, even in such overvalued situations, you should only consider selling when the prices have risen very substantially above their normal values, for example, >> 50% over their normal values.  Also, remember to reinvest the money back into other wonderful companies at fair prices that offer a higher reward/risk ratio and that promise returns commensurate with your investment objective.

Temperament of an investor: Timing or Pricing

Stock prices rise and fall, so it is human nature to look for a way to profit from such volatility.

There are two possible ways to do so:

1.  Timing:  To anticipate the rise and fall of the market and of the prices of individual stocks.  To buy or hold when they are expected to rise, and to sell or refrain from buying when they appear to be heading down.

2.  Pricing:  To buy stocks that are priced by the market below their fair value of the underlying business and to sell, or refrain from buying when they are priced above fair value.

Benjamin Graham was convinced that an intelligent investor could profit from focusing on pricing.  He was equally convinced that anyone with their emphasis on timing, in the sense of believing their own (or others') forecasts, would end up as a speculator and be doomed to poor financial results over time.

Despite the wisdom of such convictions, Graham also understood most would not listen.  "As  a matter of business practice, or perhaps of thoroughgoing conviction, the stock brokers and the investment services seem wedded to the principle that both investors and speculators in common stocks should devote careful attention to market forecasts."

Pick the right stock at right time for returns

16 OCT, 2010, 03.54PM IST,

KAVITA SRIRAM,ET BUREAU 

Investment tips: Pick the right stock at right time for returns

Picking the right stock at the right time, and booking profits, is a challenge for many small investors. With hardly any time for research and a desire to reap quick profits, many investors often rely on friends and expert advice. The risks are considerable even if you chase a rising stock, without comprehending the driving forces.   How do you differentiate an overheated stock from one that has truly appreciated in its intrinsic value? 


Identifying an under-valued stock 


An under-valued stock is a great investment pick as it has high intrinsic value. Currently under-valued , it has immense potential to rise higher and make the investor richer. 


A low price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio can be an indicator of an under-valued stock. The P/E is calculated by dividing the share price by the company's earnings per share (EPS). EPS is calculated by dividing a company's net revenues by the outstanding shares. A higher P/E ratio means that investors are paying more for each unit of net income. So, the stock is more expensive and risky compared to one with a lower P/E ratio. 


Trading volume is an indicator 


Trading volumes can help pick stocks quoted at prices below their true value. In case the trading volume for a stock is low, it can be inferred that it has not caught the attention of many investors. It has a long way to ascend before it touches its true value. A higher trading volume indicates the market is already aware and interested in the stock and hence it is priced close to its true value. 


Debt-to-equity ratio 


A company with high debt-to-equity ratio can indicate forthcoming financial hardships. If the ratio is greater than one, it indicates that assets are mainly financed with debt. If the ratio is less than one, it is a scenario where equity provides majority of the financing. Watch out for stocks that have low debt-to-equity ratio. 


Some other pointers 


Historical data of stocks that have performed consistently and yielded good returns are reliable. A higher profit margin indicates a more profitable company that has better control over its costs compared to its contenders in the same sector. 


Weeding out over-heated stocks 


Avoiding over-priced stocks that could plunge anytime is as critical as picking the right stocks. Buying over-heated stocks and losing money in a bubble burst is not an uncommon phenomenon in the markets. Stocks that have moved up the ladder very quickly are potentially risky. The sudden spurt could be based on a rumour or event not backed by strong fundamentals. 


Good market conditions or bull runs do not last forever. Investors, who believe that good times are here to stay often burn their fingers. On a similar note, an over-valued stock has little scope or space for upward movement and could lose its momentum anytime. 


A little bit of research and analysis will help investors make prudent investment choices even in bear market conditions.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/features/financial-times/Investment-tips-Pick-the-right-stock-at-right-time-for-returns/articleshow/6759442.cms

Intelligent Investor Chapter 8: The Investor and Market Fluctuations

Chapter 8: The Investor and Market Fluctuations

An investor must prepare both financially and psychologically for the fluctuations certain to occur in the market.

There are two ways an investor tries to profit from fluctuations:

1. Timing: Buy when you think the price will go up, and then sell once it goes up.
2. Pricing: Buy when the price is below fair value and sell once it reaches or exceeds fair value.

Consistent market timing is exceptionally difficult, as is evident by the countless market predictions and forecasts by industry professionals that differ from actual events by a wide margin. The variety of these predictions is great enough that an investor can make any move he chooses and find a prediction that supports this move.

Graham goes so far as to say it is absurd to think that the general public can ever make money out of market forecasting. There is no basis in logic or history to believe otherwise.

With regard to the pricing approach, Graham says that this is also extremely difficult to properly execute. Cycles often last for 5 years or more which causes people to lose their nerve and act irrationally. For example, in a prolonged bull market, people may fear being left behind, so they buy at the slightest indication of a bear market, feel vindicated as the prices escalate further, and then lose when the real bear market returns.

Also, any signals identified by experts to help determine whether this is a bear or bull market have been shown to be inconsistent in successfully identifying the position in the market cycle.

Conclusion: If you are banking on market fluctuations, you will not consistently perform well. Market fluctuations are not sound portfolio policy!

The intelligent investor uses a formulaic approach to determine whether stock prices have risen too high and he should sell, or prices have dropped significantly, and he should buy. Or, in other words, if he should alter the allocation of stocks to bonds in his portfolio (as per the tactical asset allocation policy that Graham discusses in previous chapters). The ideal approach is the rebalancing approach discussed in previous chapters (varying from 50-50 allocation to up to 75-25, and reviewing at set intervals throughout the year).

Business Valuation and Stock-Market Valuation

The stock market is paradoxical in that the highest grade stocks are often the most speculative because they gain great premiums over book value and are based more on the changing moods of the market and its confidence in the premium valuation it had put on the company in the first place. Thus, for conservative investors, they would be best to focus on companies with relatively low premiums placed upon them - a market rate no more than 1/3 above the net tangible-asset value.

However, a stock does not become sound because it can be bought close to asset value. The intelligent investor must also demand a satisfactory price-earnings ratio, sufficiently strong financial position, and the prospect of earnings being maintained over the years.

Intelligent Investors with portfolios close to the net tangible asset valuation of the underlying companies need worry less about stock market fluctuations than those who paid high multiples of earnings and assets. The intelligent investor should disregard the market price and not allow the mistakes that the market will make in its valuation to affect his feelings about the business. Do not let the market’s madness fool you into selling your shares at a loss - such a move requires reasoned judgment independent of the market price.

It is in this chapter that Graham creates the oft-cited Parable of Mr. Market. Essentially, you area private business owner. You own a share that you purchased for $1,000. Your partner is Mr. Market. Every day, Mr. Market quotes you a price for your interest and also offers to sell you his interest for the same price. Sometimes the quote is rationally connected with the business. On other days, it is clear that Mr. Market’s enthusiasm or fear has gotten to him, and the value he has placed is irrational. Graham says the Intelligent Investor would only let Mr. Market’s daily quote affect him if the Intelligent Investor agrees with the price (due to his own analysis of the value of the company), or he wants to buy from or sell to Mr. Market. Unless you want to transact with Mr. Market, you would be wiser to make your own analysis of the value of the company. If you want to transact, then you must compare Mr. Market’s value to the value you reached independently. This parable reflects the way a stock market investor should treat his relationship with the stock market.

Market Fluctuations as a Guide to Investment Decisions

What does the past record promises the investor - in either:

• the form of long-term appreciation of a portfolio held relatively unchanged through successive rises and declines, or,
• in the possibilities of buying near bear-market lows and selling not too far below bull-market highs.

Since common stocks, even of investment grade, are subject to recurrent and wide fluctuations in their prices, the intelligent investor should be interested in the possibilities of profiting from these pendulum swings.

There are two possible ways by which he may try to do this:

• the way of timing and
• the way of pricing.

By timing we mean the endeavor to anticipate the action of the stock market - to buy or hold when the future course is deemed to be upward, to sell or refrain from buying when the course is downward.

By pricing, we mean the endeavor to buy stocks when they are quoted below their fair value and to sell them when they rise above such value.

A less ambitious form of pricing is the simple effort to make sure that when you buy you do not pay too much for your stocks. This may suffice for the defensive investor, whose emphasis is on long-pull holding; but as such it represents an essential minimum of attention to market levels.



We are convinced that the intelligent investor can derive satisfactory results from pricing of either type.

We are equally sure that if he places his emphasis on timing, in the sense of forecasting, he will end up as a speculator and with a speculator's financial results.

This distinction may seem rather tenuous to the layman, and it is not commonly accepted on Wall Street.

As a matter of business practice, or perhaps of thoroughgoing conviction, the stock brokers and the investment services seem wedded to the principle that both investors and speculators in common stocks should devote careful attention to market forecasts.

Pretensions of stock-market forecasting or timing.

The investor can scarcely take seriously the innumerable predictions which appear almost daily and are his for the asking. Yet in many cases he pays attention to them and even acts upon them. Why?

Because he has been persuaded that it is important for him to form some opinion of the future course of the stock market, and because he feels that the brokerage or service forecast is at least more dependable than this own.

*

A great deal of brain power goes into this field and undoubtedly some people can make money by being good stock market analysts.

But it is absurd to think that the general public can ever make money out of market forecasts.

For who will buy when the general public, at a given signal, rushes to sell out at a profit?

If you, the reader, expect to get rich over the yers by following some system or leadership in market forecasting, you must be expecting to try to do what countless others are aiming at, and to be able to do it better than your numerous competitors in the market.

There is no basis either in logic or in experience for assuming that any typical or average investor can anticipate market movements more successfully than the general public, of which he is himself a part.

Timing is of Psychological importance to the speculator

There is one aspect of the "timing" philosophy which seems to have escaped everyone's notice.

Timing is of great psychological importance to the speculators because he wants to make his profit in a hurry. The idea of waiting a year before his stock moves up is repugnant to him.

But a waiting period, as such, is of no consequence to the investor.

What advantage is there to him in having his money uninveted until he receives some (presumably) trustworthy signal that the time has come to buy?

He enjoys an advantage only if by waiting he succeeds in buying later at a sufficiently lower price to offset his loss of dividend income.

What this means is that timing is of no real value to the investor unless it coincides with pricing - that is, unless it enables him to repurchase his shares at substantially under his previous selling price.

Ref: Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham